Saturday

Swinburne Report Card - Semester 1 MA (Writing)

After 12 very intense weeks at Swinburne we had a couple of final tutoral assignments to complete. These were designed by the course convenors to get our student perspective on each of our subjects.

I did all of the first four core subjects, a very big workload: -

Critical Friends
Real life Writing
Journalism
Research to Publication

Completing this gives one a Graduate Certificate in Writing. If I continue through next semester I will earn a Graduate Diploma. And if I follow this up with another semester I'll have an MA.
I'm posting my response to Critical Friends below, but want to add a couple of other things beforehand. The Swinburne MA in Writing is not aimed particularly at creative writing. It also takes in all comers so there is no requirement to have a writing background. Some of my class-mates struggled with the basics of writing English well, a surprise when considering the work required of a postgraduate degree in Writing. I understand that these days even undergraduate courses now have problems with students who are unable to write English clearly.

Of course postgraduate doesn't really mean a higher level tertiary degree any more, it just means that the universities can charge $1500 per subject and make a lot more money out of each student. Sorry to sound so cynical but I've sat in postgraduate law classrooms which were in fact just undergraduate subjects with the normal cohort of undergraduate students. The only difference was the cost of the subject if you were enrolled in a postgraduate qualification. Some postgraduate qualifications don't even require an undergraduate degree.

Although the Swinburne course is not really focused where I want to go with my writing I did find it in some ways interesting and a challenge. Here is my tutorial response to the Critical Friends week 12 question. This subject is really about learning how to read with an editorial eye, reading both your own work and that of others. Having said that I don't think I'll ever master reading my own work with a critical eye. Not do I think even well-established writers can successfully do so.

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Write a brief account of what resources you found most useful in this subject.
Write 400/500 words and post them to the discussion area for this module.


I decided I would address this question by considering its component parts. What are resources? They can and do include the input of our tutor, the input of our colleagues, the work of our colleagues, the readings (both lecture notes and web articles), and the sheer discipline of thinking, reading and writing on a given topic week by week.

The person to person input of both tutor and colleagues has been highly valuable. There's an element of writing which subliminally seeks the approving 'other' whoever that 'other' might be and Catherine you've been an insightful and intelligent receiver of our work (and I'm not trying to curry favour).

I also found the wide range of responses from our group really fascinating. Even when I completely disagreed I would find myself considering what it was I disagreed about. It's my habit to walk every morning and I like having a 'thought' to take with me when trudging through the cold (we can't compete with Melbourne, but minus temperatures are the norm in an Ipswich winter, so yes, it gets cold here in SEQ). Taking a thought for a walk can trigger a whole army of ideas, as well as barking dogs.

The lectures notes and articles we've been guided through have served a similar purpose. Sometimes I agreed, sometimes I found the lecture notes simplistic or repetitive. But I was forced to articulate and write these things, although diplomacy did disguise some of my less than enthusiastic views. I can't point to particular individual writings from this module, but our first week's readings for Real life writing which included the fabulous duologue between Zadie Smith and James Woods were an electrifying kick-start for the whole course.

We've also been led to some really useful web portals on writing and the sites below are ones which will have a long-term usefulness for me (I think like a librarian – a good portal can be hard to find, so I've made a list):


http://www.poewar.com/articles/ [The Writer's Resource Center]
http://www.lit.org/ [Lit.Org]
http://www.writewords.org.uk/ [Write Words]
http://www.theory.org.uk/ [the Theory.org.uk]
http://www.nla.gov.au/events/doclife/ [Documenting a life]http://teacher.scholastic.com/writewit/biograph/index.htm [Biography writing workshop]http://www.abc.net.au/wordmap/ [Australian Word Map]http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/instruct/guides/PrimarySources.html [Using primary sources]

Binding all of these individual processes together was the relentless discipline of producing the right words week by week. Dr Arnold nicely brings the practical business of writing into our last lecture for the subject : How do writers work? I liked her polite phrase "correction of avoidance procedures" which in my case can encompass cleaning the bath-tub, playing Scrabble on Facebook, watching 30 Rock or deciding to buy a new car (hours of rumination on http://carsales.com.au/ or http://redbook.com.au/).
In the end we should just get started, stay seated and write, managing our work processes as tidily as we would any other form of employment.

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Of course when I wrote the words above I was writing from within the subject. From outside it I would probably add that much of the lecture material seemed out of date and highly self-referential by (and to) the lecturer who wrote them, not a practice I respond to terribly well. It seemed to me she hadn't quite mastered the business of editing her own work. I hope this summary is a helpful to anyone contemplating the Swinburne MA (Writing). Now that I've started I'll probably keep going with it, but knowing beforehand just how much of it involved reading and thinking about cultural theories, and to the writings of one lecturer, I'd have opted for a course which was far more practical and hands-on. Writing is a technical, craft-oriented process as much as it is anything else. Earlier in this blog I've summarised a couple of other online writing courses I've undertaken - one in New York and one in Sydney. Each of these was too amateurish for my purposes and suffered also because of the contrasting writing experience of the different students. I would consider myself to be a middle to advanced writer, not a beginner.
I'd be very glad to learn of other online courses which are more useful to fiction writers in a nuts and bolts way.

15 comments:

Skye Gurtner said...

Barbara, I don't know how you get the time to study four subjects and work (wow). I also agree with the comment that a lot of the online writing courses are very amateurish. I've lost all heart in the one I'm doing at the moment and it is showing in my writing (through Cengage). I've found the Writing program at UNE to be very good though and you have a larger selection of units to choose from and the cost is about $650 per subject at Masters level (half the price).

Barbara Flowers said...

Hello Skye I sound a lot more impressive that I really am - at the moment I've cut my work right back so am only there 2 days per week. Thanks for the tip about UNE I'm exploring that possibility right now. It's not that I haven't found the Swinburne course useful it just isn't directed towards creative writing much, if at all. I haven't had time to read your story properly yet, will do so in a day or two. What is Cengage? Maybe you'd like to write a bit about it for Writers Blog - I've so given my assessment of 3 different courses, and I think posting ones opinions can sometimes be helpful to others. - thanks for your post, regards Barbara

Skye Gurtner said...

I'll write something up about Cengage in a week or so. Yes, I agree, it is helpful reading about what other people thought of a particular course. I was just reading that UNE expects 15hrs of study time per subject per week. I'm lucky to do five, but then even when I was studying full-time I was barely doing that and I graduated with a grade point average of 6.25 and won a Masters scholarship. But I seriously think I have lost a lot of brain cells since I had my daughter, or is that just Motherhood for you. It is also hard to study when you have to work plus fit in 25hrs of therapy a week. Not that anyone is putting a gun to my head and making me study. You do it for the love of it.

Richard said...

Hi I'm thinking of doing this course. Was wondering when you did it and did you do it all online? thanks so much, great read.

Writers Blog said...

Hi Richard I did it in the first half of 2009. The Swinburne course is very expensive, for my purposes it didn't have the value of its fees. I did it online, and had some very mixed tutors. One was excellent and one was so slack she actually didn't make appearances at all at our weekly submission, and did nothing more than give us a rating for the end of term assignment. When one is paying as much as $1500 for a 12 week course I think much much more than that should be on offer. I didn't really want tconsider 'writing' in terms of theory, I wanted to understand the mechanics of good writing in a really practical way.The course(s) I've found most valuable over time have been those offered by the NY writing school Gotham but like everything you can get a tutor who isn't very good and that's just bad luck - hope this helps, regards Barbara

Richard said...

Thanks for your reply.

Mehdi Faizy said...

Hello

I think this weblog needs to date its posts in order for the readers to know how old are these opinions and if things could have changed since.

Anonymous said...

I absolutely OBJECT to you putting shit on University degrees and Swinburne's MA.
Go to hell you ignorant bitch.
Swinburne has one of the very best courses available in Australia.Thats a goddamned FACT.

Anonymous said...

Richard,
It is far grreater than it's value.
The trouble with some people is they want a degree overniht and don't want to put in the hard yards and cannot meet the stringent conditions that sharpens skill.
You wouldnot regret the course.

Anonymous said...

Skye - CENgage(formerly Thompson - a BUSINESS concerned with Bucks not quality education) Who on earth would ever validate Cengage. Anyone can start up a business like Cengage. Get real. It is not an educational institution -

Barbara Flowers said...

Dear Anonymous - are you engaged in teaching or learning writing at a university, or perhaps even at Swinburne itself? If you are then your comments, which are excessively sweary and shouty, aren't much of a testimony to the things you've learned and/or are teaching. A reasoned argument from you would benefit Swinburne's course far more. I stand by own observations. Can you enlighten us as to your name and experiences with writing courses? regards Barbara

PS far from disliking universities I have a number of degrees, some were well worth the effort, some were so-so.

S R Gurtner said...

To anonymous. At least we have the courage to put our names to our opinions. I also have a number of degrees and am currently doing a Masters of English at UNE. Ignorant? We are both widely read and travelled and I am doing my second Masters degree. The purpose of this post was to encourage debate about these courses. Using offensive language doesn't exactly win you any points in favour of Swinburne. Rather, list the reasons you believe Swinburne is a great university to study at.

Anonymous said...

Flame on, no one is listening if you just shout! And I would like to know how many degrees the shouty person has and from which universities. I too did a Grad Cert in Writing at Swinburne and found that I struggled with the 'creative industries' academia, and found the course not particularly interesting. I think it's overrated, and as Barbara said, is very expensive for an online course with very little interaction from tutors. I did an undergrad in writing at UQ, and couldn't afford to spend time away from work to do a masters on campus. Am looking at continuing at Deakin as it has online writing MA, and seems a bit more rigorous. But in the scheme of it, just write! It's probably better than sitting researching stuff that's stopping you from actually writing. Thanks for the tip about UNE- will also look into that!

Writers Blog said...
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Writers Blog said...

Dear anonymous number 2 (the one who isn't sweary and shouty) - good to get another considered view about these things. Writing courses are big business for universities, they're often placed in the 'post-graduate' category in order to generate much higher fees, and with the added inducement of having 'Masters'(of something) after your name, and with no requirement of an undergraduate degree in some instances. I consider these sorts of qualifications the equivalent of the British system of honorifics - an excellent and cheap way of gaining adherents to the status quo. But then I'm a bit of a cynic. I agree with you that actually getting on with writing is the way to improve, but that said I personally have benefited immensely from my own interactions with a writing coach in the U.S. I don't think it's at all easy to teach yourself everything that's needed in terms of being a good short-story writer, or effective novelist, and even with all this hard work and help the odds are that I won't get there. But the intellectual challenge of the struggle to do so is very engaging, regards Barbara